168: PHP: Getting the job done, really easily – meet Stephan Hochdörfer

Stephan Hochdörfer from bitExpert AG and I got the chance to sit down and chat in the event hotel lobby following his session (and my keynote address :-) at SymfonyLive Berlin, 2014.

Surprisingly, this podcast contains "the s-word" once. You have been warned. :-)

Why PHP?

Despite this very positive statement, "I discovered PHP and stuck with it because it helps me solve my problems on a daily basis," when we got to this part of Stephan's history in open source, his tone got a little defensive. This is something I hear every now and again in the PHP community. I would figure at the point when PHP, as part of the LAMP Stack, is running around 80% of the Internet, nobody has anything to be ashamed of. Stephan then brought up something interesting and different about PHP community culture that, for me, hold a clue to PHP's success: "I've been to a few conferences where I was treated like the 'stupid guy' because I do PHP and I show PHP examples on my slides, so people didn't get the point of my presentation. Maybe I did it wrong, but that was really weird to see. When you are at a PHP conference and you talk about other technologies, we are quite open. It's weird to see and experience it the other way around."

Composer and migrating proprietary PHP to open source

"Back when we started the company, I did what all people did [at the time], like writing their own frameworks [or CMSs!]. Unfortunately, we are still sticking with that because we have lots of customers and projects out there. But slowly, and especially thanks to Composer", we're trying to get rid of a lot of stuff and replace it with open source implementations," from the Symfony2 framework and elsewhere, thereby removing risk from his own business. Stephan also promises to open source the good stuff he and his colleagues have built. :-)

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Also in the Future of PHP series


  1. Future of PHP series landing page
  2. Perspectives on the future of PHP – "The Future of PHP" series intro, Jeffrey A. "jam" McGuire
  3. The future of PHP ... at a distance – Lukas Kahwe Smith
  4. Composer – Dependency Management in PHP – Lorna Mitchell
  5. The Future of PHP is Shared Power Tools – Ryan Weaver
  6. PHP is getting Faster – Richard Miller
  7. PSR-What? Shared Standards for a Bright Future – Lorna Mitchell
  8. Voices of the ElePHPant / Acquia Podcast Ultimate Showdown Part 1 & Part 2 - Acquia Podcast audio/video with Cal Evans and Jeffrey A. "jam" McGuire
  9. PHP: Under the Hood, Running the Web - Michelangelo van Dam
  10. A Symfony Shop Embraces Drupal 8 & Gets Down to Business - Acquia Podcast audio/video interview with Chris Jolly
  11. Building Bridges, Linking Islands - Larry Garfield
  12. Drupal & PHP: Linking Islands, the podcast – Part 1 & Part 2 - Acquia Podcast audio/video interview with Larry Garfield
  13. PHP: Getting the job done, really easily – Acquia Podcast audio/video interview with Stephan Hochdörfer
  14. Get more done, better & faster – together. – Acquia Podcast audio/video interview with Dustin Whittle
  15. New Wave PHP – Audio/video interview and conference session presentation with Lorna Jane Mitchell
  16. Writing secure PHP: "F.I.E.O." and more – Acquia Podcast audio/video interview with Chris Cornutt
  17. PHP: The entire world is your development team – Beth Tucker Long – Acquia Podcast audio/video interview